Steven Rinella talks with paleogeneticist Dr. Beth Shapiro, along with Janis Putelis of the MeatEater crew.

Subjects Discussed: U.C. Santa Cruz and the Ewok forest; ancient DNA and the assumptions it has added to our world; black footed ferrets; the romance versus the reality of de-extinction; the volatile speed of DNA decay; mammoth tusks and sheep piss; horn-core morphology; 400 pound kiwis and 9-foot Haast's eagles; volcanoes; big-assed bison with 6-foot horn spreads; biological species concept; the persnickety sage grouse; and more. 

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