Steven Rinella talks with Carter Smith and Janis Putelis.

Subjects discussed: College epiphanies; a wrong turn at Waco; social ecologist Steve Kellert and sociobiologist E.O. Wilson; private land in Texas; what happens when critters cross international borders; Aldo Leopold; thriving in order; Texas’ massive population growth; everybody's deer; capture related myopathy; hitting hogs with cars; CWD and local economies; and more.

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